Tanno Bregonje and Martje Pretty go into the podcast "Dive into the Undercurrent" in conversation with leaders who have the guts to let go of the traditional way of leading and to put the living systems of thought into practice. And that is necessary. Tanno: "If you don't learn to look from the glasses of living systems to organizations in a world that changes as fast and deeply as the world as it is today, I dare say that as an organization you really get into trouble, because you are always behind."
 
What does an organization that behaves like a living ecosystem look like? What makes this so successful compared to organizations that still think linearly? And what does this require of you as a leader? We answer these questions in the podcast: "Dive into the Undercurrent."

Join one of the master classes

Facilitating leadership transitions, from hierarchical to living systems

Friday 29 May
for coaches & consultants

At present, organisations are facing profound changes. The classical hierarchical structure, in which control, predictability and top-down control are central, is increasingly making way for more organic, adaptive forms of organization.

During this one day we offer experienced Coaches and consultants an in-depth, applicable framework to accompany executives in this transition: from a hierarchically controlled organisation to a living system.

An organization as a living system.

25 & 26 June 2026
for C-level leaders, directors and strategic change managers

This masterclass introduces a new way of managing organisations, in which organisations are seen as living systems. You learn how to make the shift from management and control to trust, connection and agility. So that your organisation not only becomes more resilient and adaptive, but also appeals to its regenerative capacity and consequently continues to renew and strengthen the positive impact on your organisation and society.

About the podcast founders

Tanno Bregonje

Trusted Advisor

Tanno is a behaviorist and has been guiding entrepreneurs and senior executives in the field of personal development and leadership for over thirty years. In addition, he has been for over 40 years Zen student. At the heart of his work is the development of the (experienced) leader in a highly dynamic context. In it he focuses mainly on the reappearance of the creativity that is present in every human being. With the aim to perceive beyond existing patterns to discover solutions to new, often unknown, challenges. In addition, he and Maastricht University conduct research into the relationship between consciousness development, leadership and complexity.

Martje Beautiful

FOLLOWED PIONIER BREAKING ROAD BY POSITIVE IMPACT

As an inspired pioneer, she brings movement towards positive impact. With her years of experience in inspiring and guiding hundreds of companies to a more sustainable and circular way of entrepreneurship, she has developed a clear insight: Real impact begins with man and leadership. As a facilitator at Foundation for Natural Leadership, she guides wilderness leadership trails for leaders and entrepreneurs in the French and Swiss Alps. Her experience teaches that isolation in nature brings peace to really be honest and pure to yourself. Inner transformation is thus the key to innovation.